Women Who Travel Podcast: A Cultural History of Eyeliner Around the World
07.12.2023 - 22:09
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Is there a more universally used beauty product than eyeliner? Not according to author Zahra Hankir, who chats with Lale about her new book Eyeliner: A Cultural History, which looks at the meaning and symbolism of kohl around the world, from Kyoto to Chad, as well as throughout the Middle East—and dives into her own personal history with the enduring piece of makeup.
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Lale Arikoglu: Hi, I'm Lale Arikoglu and welcome to another episode of Women Who Travel, a podcast from Condé Nast Traveler. Today we're talking about a time honored beauty product, eyeliner. And how its use is both similar and different all over the world. And yes, we do get to talk about Amy Winehouse. But before we begin, we're asking for your feedback on our show. We'd love to know what stories you'd like to hear and what you've enjoyed most and the least. Go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review.
Zahra Hankir: What are you actually striving for when you're lining your eyes? For a lot of people it's aesthetic, it's- it's about looking better, it's about some form of transformation. But really, I would say for most people, especially minority communities, it's about transformation in a way that goes far deeper. It's transforming the message that you're delivering to the world. It really is to convey something that has to do with your sense of self.
LA: In Zahra Hankir's book, Eyeliner: A Cultural History, she goes to six countries and explores our personal relationship to the ancient product, as well as its use as stage makeup, its medicinal properties and how it could be a signifier of rebellion and identity.
ZH: What I try to do is to deflect from the Western gaze to say, these are the contributions of these communities to the beauty industry.
LA: There's a passage at the end of your book which is actually a wonderful entry point into this discussion. Would you mind sharing a little bit before we start talking?
ZH: Absolutely. So this is from the acknowledgement section, actually, and I write, "On my birthday in October 2020 at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, I was stuck between continents having packed up my flat in London to relocate to New York City. While in limbo, I stayed with my parents in Lebanon. Though I tied with the idea of this book, I felt in particular in the aftermath of the Beirut blast in August that year, that a trivial subject would be a futile endeavor. How could I possibly write about eyeliner with so